[openlp-dev] Saving services

Thu Nov 30 19:01:12 EST 2017

If we're changing anything, I also recommend keeping the default to save
the Full service file but have a Settings option to make Lite the default.
This keeps behavior consistent and predictable, but offers additional
options for those who want them. All the benefits, none of the drawbacks.
(And I would be a Lite user myself.)

On Nov 30, 2017 1:43 PM, "Tim and Alison Bentley" <Home at trarbentley.net>
wrote:

> Full packaging has been there since 1.x days and should be the default.
>
> I introduced lite for the specific use case where we had a show
> consisting of images, videos and music all running from OpenLP and 2
> minutes to open or save it was a real pain.
> It was not meant to be for transport of services just to make opening
> "Show Services" quicker.
>
>
> Tim
>
> On 30 November 2017 at 18:12, David Warnock <dave at warnock.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Well, I'm relieved that the full package is not going to disappear.
>> However, none of the solutions seem intuitive to me ("File/Save" and
>> "File/Save As" are universal and we shouldn't change that. What happens to
>> Ctrl+S). They all have the potential to create lots more support tickets
>> (missing content) for a problem I have not experienced as a problem (slow
>> saves).
>>
>> I'd rather an option on an obscure advanced settings dialog "Switch to
>> lite (incomplete) save for new services" [ ]  ;-)
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 30 November 2017 at 17:43, Christopher Hill <chris at minkus.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Suggest you change the ‘File’ menu options to:
>>>
>>> ‘Save service (lite)’
>>> ‘Save service (full)’ - saves with full files
>>>
>>> I would find it helpful to do a ‘lite’ save. Putting it top highlights
>>> that it might be helpful in some cases. Calling the second option ‘full’
>>> will stand out and be attractive to less confident users who naturally want
>>> to be ‘sure it will work’. That way you achieve both goals.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 30 Nov 2017, at 16:59, Adam Oellermann <adam at oellermann.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I agree with Dave. The default setting being as it is means that less
>>> computer-savvy worship leaders still send me useful orders of service, even
>>> if they've added a new song or image. Making this not the default, even if
>>> it was still a separate option on the file menu, would cause us a lot of
>>> frustration and undermine the perception of OpenLP as a solution that 'just
>>> works'. You only have to wreck one service before users will want to
>>> switch. Disk space is cheap these days, and bandwidth is plentiful - so my
>>> plea is to leave the defaults as they are, with great thanksgiving for the
>>> foresight of the developers who set it up this way.
>>>
>>> Grace and peace
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On 30/11/17 11:40, David Warnock wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> We have a team of about 6 people who prepare services. All services are
>>> always prepared at their homes and this is a key selling point for OpenLP.
>>>
>>> Please do not change this behaviour! I use a team whose computer skills
>>> would not be up to copying files around manually. The chances of ending up
>>> without a complete service would be high. We do not have all the custom
>>> slides, images or videos on the Church Computer.
>>>
>>> So again please don't change this.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30 November 2017 at 08:43, Philip Ridout <phill.ridout at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have been looking at how OpenLP saves and loads its service files as
>>>> part of my pathlib and cross platform file handling refactors. I would like
>>>> to make a few changes.
>>>>
>>>> Currently:
>>>> OpenLP defaults to packing all the service item files in to a zip file,
>>>> the actual service is saved as a json in a file that is also packaged.
>>>> There is an option of saving a 'lite' service, which is just the json file
>>>> zipped.
>>>>
>>>> I have the following issues with the current system:
>>>> The default save method (packaged) is very slow if lots of / large
>>>> files are used.
>>>> Packaging the json file of a 'lite' service in to a zip file seems a
>>>> bit pointless.
>>>> Its not very obvious that there is a choice between packaged and light
>>>>
>>>> My proposed solution:
>>>> Packaging files in a zip file is great if somebody prepares a service
>>>> at home. However, in my experience (10 years) this has never happened! Lets
>>>> make the 'lite' option the default, this would make OpenLP faster saving
>>>> files which are not going to be transported.
>>>> Lets make the option to package a service file more visible, and place
>>>> a separate menu item for it next to save in the file menu.
>>>> When saving a 'lite' service, lets just save the json in a text file
>>>> and not worry about zipping it up. While were at it, it might make sense to
>>>> change the extension. '.olp'?
>>>>
>>>> Compatability:
>>>> OpenLP 3.0 will continue to be able to open 'packaged' and 'lite' files
>>>> saved in 2.2 and later.
>>>> Packaged files saved with 3.0 will be able to be opened in 2.4.x, The
>>>> 'new lite' (.olp?) files will not.
>>>> Some users may be caught out by the change to saving a lite file by
>>>> default, so when they use the save as dialog we could display a message box
>>>> about the changes.
>>>>
>>>> Are you guys happy with my proposal? Any other ideas / suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> God Bless,
>>>> Phill
>>>>
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