[openlp-dev] Saving services

Thu Nov 30 13:43:30 EST 2017

Full packaging has been there since 1.x days and should be the default.

I introduced lite for the specific use case where we had a show
consisting of images, videos and music all running from OpenLP and 2
minutes to open or save it was a real pain.
It was not meant to be for transport of services just to make opening "Show
Services" quicker.

Tim

On 30 November 2017 at 18:12, David Warnock <dave at warnock.me.uk> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Well, I'm relieved that the full package is not going to disappear.
> However, none of the solutions seem intuitive to me ("File/Save" and
> "File/Save As" are universal and we shouldn't change that. What happens to
> Ctrl+S). They all have the potential to create lots more support tickets
> (missing content) for a problem I have not experienced as a problem (slow
> saves).
>
> I'd rather an option on an obscure advanced settings dialog "Switch to
> lite (incomplete) save for new services" [ ]  ;-)
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> On 30 November 2017 at 17:43, Christopher Hill <chris at minkus.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> Suggest you change the ‘File’ menu options to:
>>
>> ‘Save service (lite)’
>> ‘Save service (full)’ - saves with full files
>>
>> I would find it helpful to do a ‘lite’ save. Putting it top highlights
>> that it might be helpful in some cases. Calling the second option ‘full’
>> will stand out and be attractive to less confident users who naturally want
>> to be ‘sure it will work’. That way you achieve both goals.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Chris
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 30 Nov 2017, at 16:59, Adam Oellermann <adam at oellermann.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I agree with Dave. The default setting being as it is means that less
>> computer-savvy worship leaders still send me useful orders of service, even
>> if they've added a new song or image. Making this not the default, even if
>> it was still a separate option on the file menu, would cause us a lot of
>> frustration and undermine the perception of OpenLP as a solution that 'just
>> works'. You only have to wreck one service before users will want to
>> switch. Disk space is cheap these days, and bandwidth is plentiful - so my
>> plea is to leave the defaults as they are, with great thanksgiving for the
>> foresight of the developers who set it up this way.
>>
>> Grace and peace
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On 30/11/17 11:40, David Warnock wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We have a team of about 6 people who prepare services. All services are
>> always prepared at their homes and this is a key selling point for OpenLP.
>>
>> Please do not change this behaviour! I use a team whose computer skills
>> would not be up to copying files around manually. The chances of ending up
>> without a complete service would be high. We do not have all the custom
>> slides, images or videos on the Church Computer.
>>
>> So again please don't change this.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On 30 November 2017 at 08:43, Philip Ridout <phill.ridout at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have been looking at how OpenLP saves and loads its service files as
>>> part of my pathlib and cross platform file handling refactors. I would like
>>> to make a few changes.
>>>
>>> Currently:
>>> OpenLP defaults to packing all the service item files in to a zip file,
>>> the actual service is saved as a json in a file that is also packaged.
>>> There is an option of saving a 'lite' service, which is just the json file
>>> zipped.
>>>
>>> I have the following issues with the current system:
>>> The default save method (packaged) is very slow if lots of / large files
>>> are used.
>>> Packaging the json file of a 'lite' service in to a zip file seems a bit
>>> pointless.
>>> Its not very obvious that there is a choice between packaged and light
>>>
>>> My proposed solution:
>>> Packaging files in a zip file is great if somebody prepares a service at
>>> home. However, in my experience (10 years) this has never happened! Lets
>>> make the 'lite' option the default, this would make OpenLP faster saving
>>> files which are not going to be transported.
>>> Lets make the option to package a service file more visible, and place a
>>> separate menu item for it next to save in the file menu.
>>> When saving a 'lite' service, lets just save the json in a text file and
>>> not worry about zipping it up. While were at it, it might make sense to
>>> change the extension. '.olp'?
>>>
>>> Compatability:
>>> OpenLP 3.0 will continue to be able to open 'packaged' and 'lite' files
>>> saved in 2.2 and later.
>>> Packaged files saved with 3.0 will be able to be opened in 2.4.x, The
>>> 'new lite' (.olp?) files will not.
>>> Some users may be caught out by the change to saving a lite file by
>>> default, so when they use the save as dialog we could display a message box
>>> about the changes.
>>>
>>> Are you guys happy with my proposal? Any other ideas / suggestions?
>>>
>>> God Bless,
>>> Phill
>>>
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