[openlp-dev] Saving services

[David Warnock]

Hi All,

Well, I'm relieved that the full package is not going to disappear.
However, none of the solutions seem intuitive to me ("File/Save" and
"File/Save As" are universal and we shouldn't change that. What happens to
Ctrl+S). They all have the potential to create lots more support tickets
(missing content) for a problem I have not experienced as a problem (slow
saves).

I'd rather an option on an obscure advanced settings dialog "Switch to lite
(incomplete) save for new services" [ ]  ;-)

Dave




On 30 November 2017 at 17:43, Christopher Hill <chris at minkus.me.uk> wrote:

> Suggest you change the ‘File’ menu options to:
>
> ‘Save service (lite)’
> ‘Save service (full)’ - saves with full files
>
> I would find it helpful to do a ‘lite’ save. Putting it top highlights
> that it might be helpful in some cases. Calling the second option ‘full’
> will stand out and be attractive to less confident users who naturally want
> to be ‘sure it will work’. That way you achieve both goals.
>
> Kind regards
> Chris
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 30 Nov 2017, at 16:59, Adam Oellermann <adam at oellermann.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I agree with Dave. The default setting being as it is means that less
> computer-savvy worship leaders still send me useful orders of service, even
> if they've added a new song or image. Making this not the default, even if
> it was still a separate option on the file menu, would cause us a lot of
> frustration and undermine the perception of OpenLP as a solution that 'just
> works'. You only have to wreck one service before users will want to
> switch. Disk space is cheap these days, and bandwidth is plentiful - so my
> plea is to leave the defaults as they are, with great thanksgiving for the
> foresight of the developers who set it up this way.
>
> Grace and peace
>
> Adam
>
> On 30/11/17 11:40, David Warnock wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> We have a team of about 6 people who prepare services. All services are
> always prepared at their homes and this is a key selling point for OpenLP.
>
> Please do not change this behaviour! I use a team whose computer skills
> would not be up to copying files around manually. The chances of ending up
> without a complete service would be high. We do not have all the custom
> slides, images or videos on the Church Computer.
>
> So again please don't change this.
>
> Dave
>
>
> On 30 November 2017 at 08:43, Philip Ridout <phill.ridout at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I have been looking at how OpenLP saves and loads its service files as
>> part of my pathlib and cross platform file handling refactors. I would like
>> to make a few changes.
>>
>> Currently:
>> OpenLP defaults to packing all the service item files in to a zip file,
>> the actual service is saved as a json in a file that is also packaged.
>> There is an option of saving a 'lite' service, which is just the json file
>> zipped.
>>
>> I have the following issues with the current system:
>> The default save method (packaged) is very slow if lots of / large files
>> are used.
>> Packaging the json file of a 'lite' service in to a zip file seems a bit
>> pointless.
>> Its not very obvious that there is a choice between packaged and light
>>
>> My proposed solution:
>> Packaging files in a zip file is great if somebody prepares a service at
>> home. However, in my experience (10 years) this has never happened! Lets
>> make the 'lite' option the default, this would make OpenLP faster saving
>> files which are not going to be transported.
>> Lets make the option to package a service file more visible, and place a
>> separate menu item for it next to save in the file menu.
>> When saving a 'lite' service, lets just save the json in a text file and
>> not worry about zipping it up. While were at it, it might make sense to
>> change the extension. '.olp'?
>>
>> Compatability:
>> OpenLP 3.0 will continue to be able to open 'packaged' and 'lite' files
>> saved in 2.2 and later.
>> Packaged files saved with 3.0 will be able to be opened in 2.4.x, The
>> 'new lite' (.olp?) files will not.
>> Some users may be caught out by the change to saving a lite file by
>> default, so when they use the save as dialog we could display a message box
>> about the changes.
>>
>> Are you guys happy with my proposal? Any other ideas / suggestions?
>>
>> God Bless,
>> Phill
>>
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