[openlp-dev] Exploring GitLab

Kyle Russell bkylerussell at gmail.com
Tue Aug 21 12:38:19 EDT 2018

My impression is there's not a lot of git love going around, so my intent
was really just show Simon some appreciation for putting all that together.

I like the idea of this project well enough to try to contribute and sit
aside preference in order to do so.  I will adapt to whatever VCS the
community prefers, but my suggestion to document these tidbits on the wiki
was my attempt at bringing some objectivity to the discussion.  I did
actually read the "Why Bazaar/Why Launchpad"
section of the wiki, and got the message ("OpenLP is going to stay where it
is."), though I'm not really sure that's a good proposition.

Actually, I've used subversion quite a bit, but have a pretty strong
dislike for it. :)  Mercurial, probably not enough to really count.  My
organization did a similar svn -> git transition, but it sounds like the
outcome for us was far more favorable to git.

I'm not trying to discount your past experience with git, but it would be
interesting to hear more discussion about actual technical CI/CD challenges
the project currently faces.

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 11:39 AM Raoul Snyman via openlp-dev <
openlp-dev at openlp.io> wrote:

> > I fully recognize that I'm new to bzr and openlp, so my opinion
> > probably
> > counts for less than two cents, but so far I haven't seen any bzr
> > feature
> > that would make me want to switch all my projects away from git. :)
> My guess is that you've only ever used git, right? :)
> When OpenLP started, we were using CVS and SourceForge. When SourceForge
> rolled out Subversion, I moved OpenLP to Subversion. When distributed
> version control systems started, I looked into the different options.
> git had (and still has) completely different actions for certain
> commands ("cvs revert", "svn revert", "bzr revert" and "hg revert" all
> do the same thing, "git revert" does something different), and a friend
> of mine was advocating for Bazaar (they used it at their company). Also,
> GitHub and GitLab (and Gitorius) didn't exist but Launchpad did.
> So this friend of mine helped me migrate OpenLP to Bazaar and Launchpad.
> It was difficult (just like the cvs -> svn migration), but once we were
> onto Bazaar the commands worked the same as Subversion, and most of the
> concepts were the same. Bazaar was essentially a distributed take on
> Subversion (and let's be honest, Subversion merging was not as bad as
> people make it out to be), and was easy to adapt to.
> A couple of years later, the company I was working for decided to move
> from Subversion to git, and we all got badly burnt by git because it is
> so different to other version control systems. I helped migrate all our
> repositories, and the migration was even worse than svn to bzr. I also
> had to run around to all the QA folk and all the designers every day
> helping them fix the problems they created for themselves by using git.
> At the time, GitHub still didn't exist.
> It was horrendous, and I was git'ed out after that.
> So, from my point of view, "so far I haven't seen any git feature that
> would make me want to switch all my projects away from bzr" -- and I use
> git on a daily basis with my job.
> I leave you with some enlightenment ;-)
> http://stevelosh.com/blog/2013/04/git-koans/
> --
> Raoul Snyman
> +1 (520) 490-9743
> raoul at snyman.info
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